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    While the second season of MLP:FIM had certainly left some crack in the brony community, the third season the series utterly shattered it. Fandom reactions of the third season have range from ecstatic praise to cynical loathing. For me, season three was initially pretty underwhelming, and that most of the episodes overall didn't hit that level of quality that seasons one and two hit. But looking back, I largely attribute it mainly to hype backlash, and the fact it was only thirteen episodes. Since then, season three has grown on me, and even then, this doesn't explain the incredible amount of hatred this season has garnered. I'm sure we probably all know about the infamous TGWTG contributor Chad Rocco aka CR. But while Chad had pretty much left the fandom by the time Equestria Girls was announced. There are still plenty of anti-season three fan members out and about. Let's discuss one by the username of Byter. For those who don't know, Byter is an MLP analysis/reviewer/critic from the UK. He's mostly known for co-hosting a podcast called Crepuscular Bronies Discuss, usually with fellow MLP analysis AnYPony. Much like CR, Byter also has a deep-rooted hatred of the third season of the MLP. And similarly, Byter's reasons for hating the third seasons are..."interesting". An example of what I mean by "interesting" can be found in his reviews. 
    In his review of "Too Many Pinkie Pie" he's tries to argue that Pinkie Pie was out of character and that she was no different from her clones. Looking at the episode, Pinkie Pie was not in any way acting, as he described her: zany, shallow, impotent and inconsiderate. Some have even argued that even if Pinkie did act how she is described in the review, this could be considered a strength as it makes the other Mane Six harder to sort out the real Pinkie from the clones. Many more critics (including CR) have pointed out how easy it was for rest of the Mane Six to differentiate who's who, and for them, it was glaring flaw. Byter also dives into how this episode (at least for him) had way too much "slapstick" compared to other episodes of the show. Now for everyone on this planet and since the origin of the word, slapstick has always been physical humor, such as getting hit in the groin or a pie to the face. Byter apparently believes that slapstick is "contrived situation for humor". When people called him out on this, Byter stated that definition of words are broad. Essentially, arguing that because he misused slapstick, there is now a new meaning to that word.
    Now onto his "Sleepless in Ponyville" review. In this one, he argues that the episode lacked depth, and that the episode was the most "verbose" in the entire series. Now ignoring the fact that it doesn't manage to even make it into the top forty, in terms of the amount of dialogue, how much depth did it have compared to other episodes of the show? If you're going to convince people that it lacked "depth", then you are going have to demonstrate how this episode lacks said depth. For example, you could take an episode from a past season and compare and contrast the two. Some reviewer even argued that the episode "Hurricane Fluttershy" could be a bad episode by using the exact same reasons that Byter used to explain why he didn't like Sleepless in Ponyville. Such as how Fluttershy was scared but afraid to show it, how it took the entire goddamn episode for her to overcome her fears, and how the cartoonish elements conflict with the episode's tone, such as Spike playing a pan flute, that character Snowflake constantly shouting "Yeah!!!", Fluttershy disguising herself as tree, the list goes on. I am pointing this out because it seems to convey that Byter is displaying a sort of double standard in his reviews. Essentially, that it's wrong for a season three episode to lack "depth", but it's okay for a season one/two episode to similarly lack "depth" as he describe it. 
    In his "Wonderbolt Academy" review, his biggest issue with the episode was that the Wonderbolts Academy was like a boot camp. Yes...that's his biggest problem with the episode... He also goes on and states that the Wonderbolts were never part of the military. And while it is true that it's never been outright stated that the Wonderbolts were part of the military, it is heavily implied that they maybe in fact are. Such as in the episode "Secret to my Excess" where they fight off Adult Spike, and in your own review you mention them fighting monster. Isn't that kind of a military to you? And even if you argue that they're just militia forces, they're still "the best flyers in all of Equestria". Maybe it's different in the UK, but here in North America, ask anyone in or was in the military, and they'll most likely tell you that the purpose of a boot camp to whip you into shape and to prove that you are capable. And considering that the Wonderbolts are "the best flyers in all of Equestria", they would be a team that would require the same amount of commitment and discipline as that of the military. On top of that Byter states that the Wonderbolts are a bunch of assholes, even when they realize their mistakes. This is a problem I have with a decent amount of fandom members since I've joined. Many seem to have this incredibly black and white viewpoint when it comes to morality. Basically, if one or more characters who you look up to or suppose to look up to, does something you consider morally wrong, then they are automatic irredeemable. This doesn't count for most antagonists as they're not characters who you're suppose to look up too. And in Byter's case, the Wonderbolt are irredeemable. In total, I can describe the review as this: This episode ruined MY, I mean Lauren Faust's vision of who the Wonderbolts are!
    These are just a few examples of the kind of arguments that Byter states about every episode from season three and (from what I can gather) beyond. So if you've read up to this point you may be wondering, "Why do we care what he think?" Well, the problem here is that Byter is just large slice of an even larger pie. That of which being a growing belief that MLP has declined in quality since its first or second season. Comparing Byter with CR, you can tell they both have quite a lot in common. Both believe that the third season doesn't hold up to Lauren's vision, and that she alone was what kept the series afloat. Both have used petty, idiotic, or just flat out false reasons for why the third season doesn't hold up to Lauren's vision. Both have taken potshots at members of the cast and crew (especially Meghan McCarthy). And both have accused anyone who questions them of harassment, mocking, and "not respecting other's opinions", while harassing, mocking, and "not respecting other's opinions". And based on the comments on CR's deviantart profiles (don't look, it's a cesspool), they're not the only ones who believed that. There's even an entire deviantart group that essentially made their one alternate continuity in which Twilight never got her wings and that "status quo is god". Out of all these pre-season three fans, Byter at this point is probably the most prolific of them. On top of that, he is also shown to incredibly pretentious and an ego with the size of Jupiter. If you had any bad experience with Byter or any other pre-season three fans, please let me know. Maybe ultimately, I'm over-exaggerating, but from the looks of it, Byter and the pre-season three fans are a serious issue, and at the very least, then must be knocked down peg. And if you're arguing that it's a matter of opinion. I'll say the definition slapstick is not a matter of opinion (and if was the word would be rendered meaningless because no one would know you're talking about), nor is the heavy implication that the Wonderbolt are part of the military, or at least some form of protection.

If you want to know about Byter you can read his reviews and analysis here: 

byter75.deviantart.com/journal�

You can also look these blog posts if you're interested in CR: 

www.fimfiction.net/blog/97116/� 

www.fimfiction.net/blog/115736�

Also check out this video which analyzes Byter's Too Many Pinkie Pies review: 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNR7Um�

And this video made by the same person:

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I can't believe I actually used to consider that guy's opinions that much.

One of my friends, on the Wonderbolt Academy review, gave his credentials with the military and Byter basically completely ignored it and continued thinly veiling attacks on him. I didn't like that episode very much either (As someone who felt the episode was horribly paced, there was too much Pinkie, the 'Bolts kind of felt incompetent (again), and hates the 'Drill Sergeant Nasty' trope and the military in general), but I wouldn't go to the lengths he does. He's just... kind of a parasite and a disgrace to the art of critique, in my eyes.
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CrucifyTheWolf Nov 28, 2013  Student Writer
I did see CR mentioned a bit about the bronies after Season 4 came out...But knowing him,he'll just go: "SEASON 4 SUCKS, MEGHAN KILLED THE SHOW FOR ME!!!OH MY LUNA, THE CONSTANT CRAP OF TWILIGHT'S WINGS SUCKED.I AM SUPERIOR TO OTHERS AAHAHAHAH!!!"

And I've checked Byter's newest review of 'Princess Twilight', he's STILL as negative as before. Granted he said it wasn't 'the worst episode of the show', but he's still pretty negative about it.

In my eyes..Chad and Byter are this butt hurt jerkasses who are still crying in the corner over Lauren's departure. While I do miss Lauren on the show, it's STILL going and being very entertaining. Hell, Season 3 to me was while clunky and there was a lack of continuity, it was STILL enjoyable for me. And hell, I friggen LIKE the idea of Twilacorn. My only complaint was that it came out TOO SOON. If they, especially Larson waited a little longer, then there wouldn't be a problem. But still, I like Twilacorn AND season 3.

Unfortunately this dumb butts don't have anymore logic than to whine and bitch about how Lauren isn't involved in the show.What they NEED to see is that despite her departure, the writers still have some good ideas. They don't suffer the stupidity like Spongebob does. They find ideas to mix for the younger audience AND for their fan base, something (and I'm only using this as an example) Spongebob writers don't do, they just want to appear to the younger, new audience and take away all the likability of the characters.

Over all, CR is a whiney grown up jack ass and Byter is just a picky critic, and they both whine for the return of Faust, which I highly doubt won't happen seeing how Lauren's doing Wander Over Yonder.
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To be fair, Chad actually did say that he didn't if Lauren left or not. He still acts kind of wacko, but look at this if you want to know what I'm talking: i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/o…

Yeah, if Chad actually gave a rat's ass, he'd probably be a much more scarier opponent than Byter, because unlike Byter, Chad isn't pretentious nor has an insanely massive ego. Plus, considering the type of comments that Chad and others post on his Deviantart profile page. They think of us as the delusional whiny assholes.

Also, the problem with Spongebob's writers isn't them trying to target a younger audience, but the exact opposite. According the guy who made that response video to Byter, they're aiming at adult, even though Spongebob's main demographic is children. And even if Spongebob was aimed at adults, it's still terrible.
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CrucifyTheWolf Nov 29, 2013  Student Writer
Oh I've seen that before...and good lord did it make me lose respect for the guy. It shows how much of a picky jackass he and ESPECIALLY Byter are. Like...why can't they just get the hell over themselves and say "And DESPITE it's flaws...the season is still good'.So many fans are already growing to like the Twilacorn aspect thankfully, and even now are giving Season 3 the benefit of a doubt.

And it fails horribly. I sometimes get into discussions with a friend of mine named Brian about how Spongebob keeps going "A NEW SPONGEBOB SPECIAL!!!", when it's just a stupid 30 minute episode. We both were surprised and annoyed as hell when even YAHOO was like "THIS NEW SPONGEBOB SPECIAL ABOUT SPONGEBOB GETTING FIRED IS EPIC". The writer keeps getting worse, and worse, and worse each time and it just feels like it's dying like the stupid blank expression Spongebob does every time. 
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I highly doubt any of them are going change, no matter how much evidence there is that supports our side. Like I said, Chad is way more interesting than Byter if ask me, because unlike Byter, his isn't the type the person who would be selective, petty, or irrational the way he treats the series nowadays. Furthermore, what reasons has he given that weren't (like I said) nitpicky, misinformed, or just plain wrong. And didn't Twilight EARN the title of "princess"?

Really at this point, Nickelodeon is just dying a slow, painful death. From what I've heard, Avatar: The Legend of Korra is the only thing of substance on that channel.
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CrucifyTheWolf Nov 29, 2013  Student Writer
Pretty much. Chad is interesting, but both he and Byter have the same problem: They hate the show just because of how it changes, and it's sad to see them NOT ACCEPT these changes. MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY!In 'Cutie Mark Chronicles', Celestia says she had never seen such 'raw magic' from Twilight. So I had a feeling Twilight was going to become something big later on. And when it happened, I was pretty shocked, but accepted it.Unlike Chad and Byter, who ACTED as if they showed Rule 34 pictures for 22 minutes.

Sadly. Oh yes it is. I really get annoyed when I talked to my friends about Korra, and they're like "OH LEGEND OF KORRA SUCKS". I just wanted to grab my backpack and SMACK THE BOTH OF THEM REPEATEDLY with it. Their reasons on hating on it were two: A rational one and a bull one:

The rational - The show is inferior to the original. I kinda did agree on that, but it was a good change from it.

The Bull - 'IT'S ALL ABOUT TEEN DRAMA'. 
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If the show remained static without any form of change and followed the same formula throughout, which Byter and Chad seem to wish had happened instead. Then the series would become stale and repetitive. Regardless of what anyone thinks of Twicorn, I'm still trying to figure out why so many are saying MLP is suffering from seasonal rot, and why their reasons tend to be either dismissible, didn't make sense, or just wrong. And when we ask for an answer that made sense, we get accused of "not respecting our/their opinion/viewpoint".
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CrucifyTheWolf Nov 29, 2013  Student Writer
So much...It comes to show you how closed minded people can be about change. For me, if the change works to the show (which it ALWAYS does me, and not just in shows, but for music), then I don't mind.

It really does suck people just can't accept Twilacorn at this point. I STILL SEE PEOPLE DOING "I HATE TWILACORN.HERE,LET ME DRAW THIS PICTURE OF TWILIGHT SUFFERING JUST BECAUSE SHE TOLD CELESTIA SHE WASN'T GONNA BE A PRINCESS ANYMORE'.
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Also, you should read these comments on Chad's deviantart profile: comments.deviantart.com/4/1921…
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And so it begins! The beginning of the end! The Seven Plagues of the Internet shall soon spawn and will engulf all who do not repent their wrong-doings.
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